| 0:00:13 | The chair calls it a caucus | Sprague: “Well, good afternoon everyone. It’s 1:00 on, What is today? Monday the 18th. Monday the 18th. And we’re here to look at the the budget and have a caucus with our with the three of us who are the budget finance committee.” At 0:00:39: “I didn’t I did not hear, from any of the other board members.” | HIGH HIGH |
| 0:01:08 | “no way I can present this” | Crawford: “I would just like to say at this point, there’s no way I can present this to the board on Wednesday night. There are too many questions.” At 0:01:30: “I do not feel comfortable explaining that to the rest of the board as yet.” | MEDIUM |
| 0:01:37 | The default budget raised and set aside | Whitney: “For me, I would go to the default budget would be my recommendation if we don’t have clarity.” Sprague at 0:02:33: “No. Nullifies all the negotiations.” Crawford at 0:02:35: “I think that there’s still work to be done on this budget before it goes to the full board.” | |
| 0:02:51 | Whose problem the questions are | Whitney: “I think we have some legal constraints on when we have to be.” Crawford: “No, that’s not our problem. It’s their problem to get us the answers.” Whitney at 0:03:19: the 3 January date “was our snow date.” Crawford at 0:03:30 proposes a January 10 or 11 hearing and action on the 16th or 17th. | |
| 0:04:13 | Middle-school staffing and elementary paras | Crawford: “I think the middle school has a lot of issues around staffing, and none of those answers have been achieved yet.” On field trips at 0:04:45: “They were requested at Dessner [Disnard] and we asked where they were.” | |
| 0:05:31 | Preschool: two reports, two numbers | Crawford: “We have two conflicting reports. We have one said that it’s going to be a $60,000 increase. The other says $100,000 increase. Clearly there’s no definitive plan regarding that issue.” | MEDIUM |
| 0:06:52 | ESSER, and the $688,000 line | Crawford: “this Esser [ESSER] has ended and how the Esser positions either are phased out or incorporated into this budget is not clear at all” … “there’s an expense reduction line of 688,000 that I cannot make sense of.” | MEDIUM MEDIUM |
| 0:07:22 | An overall figure that does not reconcile | Crawford: “The grand total right now is a million for over last year’s budget, and that’s a 16% increase. I don’t think that’s tenable.” Quoted as transcribed; no correction is supplied. An increase of about $1.4 million on the FY2024 appropriation of $34,880,312 would be about 4 per cent. | MEDIUM |
| 0:07:45 | High-school schedule: union sign-off and $100,000 | Crawford: “I want assurance that SRA [SREA] has signed off on this, and I want to know where the $100,000 cost is, because in Mr. Tempesta document, he said that they’re going to that and it would be $100,000 cost.” | MEDIUM |
| 0:08:35 | The 13 December “sunset” handout read into the record | Sprague: “one of the things we received from the administration on December 13th is this this handout.” At 0:08:42: “the title of this page is sunset. Additional staff funded by federal Esser [ESSER] positions intended to mitigate student learning loss.” At 0:09:13: “a reduction in regular instruction of 333,000. I’m looking at a reduction of 133,000 in special ed” … “Estimated additional impact 300,000.” | MEDIUM MEDIUM |
| 0:10:10 | “688 K is probably a dollar on the tax rate” | Sprague: “I think we asked what is that. And I think we were told, they weren’t sure that’s what I heard. And so 688 K is probably a dollar on the tax rate.” Whitney at 0:10:39: the amount “is consistent with the amount of money that was put back into the budget last budget cycle.” | MEDIUM |
| 0:11:51 | “Where’s the money going?” | Sprague: “So again I’m going to say the same thing I’ve been saying. I think every meeting” … “I can’t make that determination unless I know what is this staffing.” At 0:12:28: “Where’s the money going? And so I, I don’t know where, where it is. And so how do I know?” | |
| 0:14:14 | The administration arrives, still printing | Tempesta: “We have a new schedule and that’s why we’re a little late.” At 0:14:45: “Mary’s on her way. She had the summary that Frank wanted. She was just printing that.” Henry at 0:18:06, on the missing district-wide page: “because I’m not done with it, so I’m going to finish it.” Sprague: “So that’s where half my questions are is in district wide.” | OBSERVATION |
| 0:20:02 | Revised middle-school structure | Tempesta at 0:20:32: “So we we have one assistant principal. Okay. One principal, no academic deans.” At 0:22:22: “they could get by with a class size of about 16 if they had, five teachers, okay, per subject area.” | |
| 0:24:35 | Counting the counsellors | Whitney at 0:24:52: “they currently have three.” Tempesta at 0:25:26: “As her [ESSER] paid for the third guidance counselor. Yes, it was in the budget though.” Henry at 0:29:00: “I was I assume no because we had three in the budget.” Four participants take several minutes to settle a count at one school. | MEDIUM |
| 0:27:43 | Two CMS staff introduced | Tempesta: “We have Miss Steel and Miss Foster from the middle school here, a counselor and a schedule extraordinaire who put this together.” Neither first name is spoken. | HIGH |
| 0:30:27 | A career counsellor at the tech center | Whitney: “Why do we have a career counselor at the tech, when normally that sits within the guidance department at the high school?” Crawford at 0:30:58 explains the community-facing role. No document is produced; the point is dropped. | |
| 0:33:23 | The teachers’ association | Crawford: “You said you were going to meet with Syria [SREA] last week.” Tempesta at 0:33:35: “I met with the SRE [SREA] about the high school schedule in the middle school schedule”; at 0:33:51: “They said, yeah, we know. So when we when we see it, give us a breakdown and we will.” | |
| 0:34:22 | The principal arrives from covering a class | Romeo: “So I sub today, so I apologize. Just getting over here.” | |
| 0:35:50 | The case for the seven-period day | Romeo at 0:36:20: “right now our teachers teach three out of the five blocks that we have.” At 0:37:34: “we are giving our teachers more time with our students by extending out the blocks that we have.” | |
| 0:38:52 | The schedule, from its author | Foster: “So we have five teams in essence working within the building for each grade.” Romeo at 0:40:45: “We have seven a seven period day the one period is lunch which is 90 minutes.” | |
| 0:44:24 | Who staffs the academic centres | Foster: “based on the proposal that I’ve put together, every teacher has two student center blocks per week, where they’re pushing into those student centers.” Crawford at 0:45:32: “there’s no staff for these learning centers other than the teachers on a rotation basis.” | |
| 0:55:19 | “Call it what it is” | Sprague: “So my suggestion is don’t call it a behavioral specialist. Call it call. Call it what it is. I brought the model to Stevens with the discipline monitor.” At 0:55:48: “this is the person that bird dogs minor infractions. Is that what you’re describing?” Romeo: “That is what I’m describing.” | |
| 0:56:31 | The centres are unstaffed in the budget | Crawford: “the, academic centers would be unstaffed.” Romeo at 0:57:35: “They’re not in this budget currently. I would like them to be.” Foster at 0:58:43: “that’s all I was tasked with doing and that’s why that’s all that addresses.” | POSITIVE |
| 0:59:03 | The business administrator corrects herself | Henry: “I need to correct myself. Yes. It is still in there. Thank you.” At 0:59:09: “That’s my bad for not putting that.” | POSITIVE |
| 0:59:25 | The redesign’s budget effect | Whitney at 1:00:03: “A decrease of 600,000.” Crawford: “638,000. But that’s assuming that the figures for budget were right.” Henry at 1:00:55: much of the drop is “because of the special ed added district placements.” Romeo at 1:04:03: “Do not have that information.” | MEDIUM |
| 1:07:22 | $85,000 over on middle-school salaries | Henry: “in this year’s budget so far we’re $85,000 over budget and teacher salaries based on this year’s budget in the middle school.” At 1:07:44: “We’ve staffed some. But we’ve stopped them late.” At 1:09:25: “I would have to go back to confirm that, double check it.” | MEDIUM |
| 1:14:14 | Unfilled posts at Bluff | Henry: “I’ve got two open positions or three open positions that I didn’t put a dollar value on.” Sprague at 1:14:39: “Do we have three empty rooms at bluff down?” | |
| 1:18:16 | Field trips | Crawford: “in this new budget that we, that you just gave us, where are the field trips listed?” Henry: “I’m not sure I’m going to have to find out for you.” At 1:18:41: “bluff did not include any because they said that the PTO pays for it.” | OBSERVATION |
| 1:20:43 | Para counts by school | Henry at 1:21:01: “We need to talk to Ben because there may be a reason why Ben feels 11 was what they needed.” Tempesta at 1:22:43: “When Ben started, I think he had 116 powers [paras] in these cuts to under 70.” | |
| 1:23:33 | The tax rate | Sprague: “the bigger the bigger elephant in the room” … “that’s the impact on on taxes.” Henry at 1:24:00: “Your tax rate dropped.” Assessment base at 1:25:32: “It’s one 1,228,844,331.” | |
| 1:27:03 | $0.81 per million | Henry: “So for every million on the tax rate, you’re looking at $0.81.” Sprague at 1:28:31: “$1.38 is the real cost.” | |
| 1:29:13 | The $100,000 estimate tested | Crawford: “Mr. Tempesta in, in your hand out of the 13th. It says that the, changing from the high school from the block to traditional would be a cost of $100,000.” Tempesta at 1:30:14: “the only reason I put that in, Mr. Pratt thought that he could do it neutral.” At 1:30:33: “No. All these were estimates.” | MEDIUM |
| 1:31:16 | Moving the alternative programme: no cost | Whitney at 1:31:37: “We don’t have an estimate on what it’s going to cost to move them off campus.” Crawford at 1:31:53: “there was no cost built in for that.” | MEDIUM |
| 1:32:01 | Preschool: $60,000 or $100,000 | Crawford: “Ben had 60,000. You had 100,000. So I guess the 60,000 is more the figure.” At 1:36:55: “that was for approximately 35 students.” Tempesta at 1:37:13: “I think 85 over the course of the year.” | MEDIUM |
| 1:32:38 | The district-wide report has not arrived | Sprague: “probably 70% of my questions have to do with district wide.” Henry at 1:32:46: “I actually got it done. I just haven’t sent it to you.” | OBSERVATION |
| 1:32:58 | Not ready for Wednesday | Crawford: “I don’t think we are ready to present to the school board on Wednesday night.” At 1:33:35: “if we can’t give this to the board Wednesday night, I don’t know how we can have a hearing on January 3rd.” Whitney: “The hearings been warned.” | MEDIUM |
| 1:34:23 | Another meeting this week, dropped | Crawford: “Another meeting this week.” Sprague at 1:34:36: “It’s my bowling night.” At 1:34:45: “Let’s get the district wide, look at it on our own” … “come up with a, with a target number of what we think is palatable.” | |
| 1:35:39 | A paraprofessional negotiation, not discussed | Tempesta at 1:35:48: “We have a meeting with them coming in for Wednesday”; at 1:35:52: “So, yeah, we shouldn’t talk about this right now.” | POSITIVE |
| 1:41:39 | A target tax impact | Crawford: “I think this group, the three of us need at least one more meeting.” At 1:42:11: “If I look at a target, tax impact of, let’s say $0.75.” Sprague at 1:42:39: “slightly under $1 million, then.” | MEDIUM |
| 1:43:25 | Priorities first | Whitney: “I just think we’re looking at it the wrong way. Okay. I think we should do is we should have what our priorities are.” Sprague at 1:47:21: “So the must haves and the nice to haves.” | |
| 1:48:19 | Pay | Tempesta: “Teaching staff is competitive.” Whitney at 1:48:39: “in my world, if you’re a staff nurse and you work on the floor, you get paid less than you do if you work in the intensive care unit.” | |
| 1:50:05 | $1.19 on the rate | Henry: “It’s $1.19” … At 1:50:18: “you’re going from 14, 14, to $15.33.” At 1:51:08: “This is with nothing coming off the tax rate.” | |
| 1:51:47 | A member’s account of the special-education floor | Sprague at 1:52:09: “That depends on your model. You’re only required to provide services to special ed kids. That’s the requirement.” A characterization offered in discussion. | OBSERVATION |
| 1:53:16 | The counsellor ratio | Whitney at 1:53:35: “No, it’s 300 students per one guidance counselor. And we have under 600 students.” Crawford at 1:53:51: “Keep in mind that the state you’re talking about state minimums.” | POSITIVE |
| 1:54:32 | The elementary schools | Whitney: “that’s where the flashing light is. That’s where the that’s where the catastrophe is to me.” Tempesta at 1:58:27: “I would invest in the elementaries.” | |
| 1:56:29 | Past the scheduled end | Crawford: “We have two, two, three minutes on the.” Whitney: “I’m willing to go over if you guys are willing to go over.” | POSITIVE |
| 1:59:17 | No data on what the interventions bought | Sprague: “it would be would have been very helpful to have gotten over the last two years of pumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into interventions, again, most most of it being Esser [ESSER] money.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:03:33 | “a little more time” | Sprague: “I agree with Candy that I’d like to have a little more time to look at it.” Tempesta at 2:03:50: “We can meet again tomorrow or Wednesday.” | |
| 2:04:16 | “we’re looking at 1.783” | Sprague: “So, Mrs. Henry, so we’re looking at 1.783. So if that if we went with that budget, that’s going to be a dollar.” Henry at 2:04:26: “Dollar 19 with the, with everything that I, with all the revenues that I’ve estimated in.” An increase, not a total; no total is spoken in the meeting. | MEDIUM |
| 2:05:07 | “1.4 million or 9.15%” | Henry: “the net change of local tax assessment that needs to be raised is 1.4 million or 9.15%. So even though the budgets up 5.7%, the overall increase to the amount we have to raise is nine.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:06:20 | “What in the world is that?” | Sprague: “page 44 in the document you gave us today, okay, board voting, voted expense reduction.” Henry at 2:06:41: “when the budget was uploaded, Dave, Jack [Dave Jack] and I had this number” … “I know a million was added back then, but I’m not sure what the 688,000.” The comma in “Dave, Jack” is the recognizer’s; it is one person. | MEDIUM |
| 2:07:31 | A number that cannot be allocated | Henry: “I don’t know what it’s allocated to.” Crawford at 2:08:14: “what I hear you saying that you can explain about 350, 325,000 of.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:08:52 | Prior-year figures do not match | Henry: “I’ve looked at spreadsheets that had been done by my predecessor and compared them to the budget. They don’t match up.” Sprague at 2:10:18: “it’s like mining Bitcoin.” At 2:10:32: “so at some point you have to put a number in that reconciles the two columns. Right. And that’s the number.” Henry: “Right. That was the number that reconciled it.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:11:35 | Forensic audit, declined | Whitney: “So at what point is a forensic audit?” Henry at 2:11:39: “I had a talk with our audience [auditors] about that. I don’t feel there’s any reason for a forensic audit.” At 2:12:02: “a forensic audit is not cheap.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:12:37 | The comparison year is unreliable | Crawford: “this year’s is not as accurate as it could be.” Henry at 2:13:12: “that’s going to take me some time.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:13:38 | ESSER posts move into the general fund | Sprague at 2:13:57: “Esser [ESSER] moved to a general budget.” At 2:15:09: “I thought we were getting rid of all of those.” Whitney at 2:18:59: “so that’s important to know is that we actually have added positions.” At 2:20:40: “I’m seeing a quarter of a million already in just salaries that were Esser [ESSER] funded last year.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:21:21 | Negotiated agreements kept out | Sprague: “So is it appropriate to talk about what the impact of any of the negotiated agreements are?” Henry at 2:21:27: “Not yet.” Sprague at 2:21:29: “My inner voice is saying, don’t talk about that.” | POSITIVE |
| 2:22:40 | “So 11:00 Wednesday maybe” | Sprague: “So let’s we digress there for a minute. So 11:00 Wednesday maybe.” Crawford: “What’s 11:00 on Wednesday?” Henry at 2:23:06: “It’s Wednesday, but I think it’s before the meeting, isn’t it?” What was booked, if anything, is not stated. | |
| 2:23:27 | Last positions | Crawford: “I can’t do it just because I don’t have enough information in my brain to figure that out.” Whitney at 2:23:36: “I already found a quarter of a million.” At 2:23:51: “And I, I mean, I can find 1.4 right now.” | MEDIUM |
| 2:24:03 | “we need to caucus” | Sprague: “Well I think we need to we need to caucus, I guess.” At 2:24:10: “I think. Are we done with the admin? I think we may be.” Henry at 2:24:16: “We’re done. I’m sorry. You guys want.” Sprague: “Thank you for doing this. Very helpful.” The recording ends shortly after. | HIGH |